Apr 24, 2015

The Constitution Is A Liberal Document & The Founding Fathers Were Liberals

First a few definitions;

A liberal is someone who move forward towards development, new things and making things better. A proper liberal doesn't bow to culture or the temper of the time (at least in their mind) & is willing to take new and fresh steps sometimes based on a study of the information available (science) but always moving with the flow of the societies developments around them. The more educated a person is, the more knowledge a person accumulates, the more liberal they become. (A conservative in this case would simply take all new information & view it through the lens of religion thereby changing its meaning and basically remaining in the same place as before). George Washington was a liberal.

"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." -George Washington

A conservative is someone who sticks with the past or a past view of how things should be. Sometimes these conservatives look to a "golden age" in the past that returning to would solve all our problems. Sometimes the focus is on a religious edict that may contradict science and all of the modern information we have available but is a scriptural important tenet for the conservative individual or group. Sometimes a conservative simply wants to keep society and culture "as it is" with no new developments as the developments could be risky. Why change what already works, especially if it's risky is their motto.

Treason is the opposite of loyalty. On an individual level one can be betrayed by lies and deception. If a person betrays

Conservatives in the time of the Founding Fathers were people, often religious, who wanted to keep things as they are and whose primary loyalty was to the old order of the British Monarchy. To the Founding Fathers & their followers (most of the nation) the ones opposing freedom from the British Monarchy or the old established order or tradition were the traitors, i.e. these were the people who had betrayed the country. There were also religious people who were patriots but this post is not about them.

Second a look at the Founding Fathers VS Modern Conservatives who claim to be the Constitutional party;

Here is a striking visual and modern day example of religious behavior that contradicts the freedom to all citizens implicitly guaranteed by the Constitution;

A Million Gays to Deny in the Midwest - Indiana Governor Mike Pence signs legislation to protect religious freedom in his state, but the law leads to discrimination against the LGBT community. (6:30)

Notice how the people who this bill was written for were standing around Indiana's Governor Pence when he signed the bill and it was to give these people freedom to discriminate in defiance of the Bill of Rights in the Constitution, i.e. they are arguing, basically, that the Constitution is limiting it's religious freedom cause they are not being allowed to discriminate... this is the Constitution doing it's job;

Repeat: Now, notice that this law is to help the above people practice their beliefs without Government interference. IN other words, they wish to practice the religious beliefs of theirs which was outlawed by the US Constitution. Thier religion says you can kill someone who doesn't listen to your priest. The Constitution doesn't allow them to do that. Thier bible tells them they can stone adulterers to death and that pre-marital sex should be punished with death. The Constitution says they cannot go around telling people what to do. Thier religious laws tell them that gays are an abomination. The Constitution says no citizen can be treated badly, period. 

The right has been arguing for a long time that America is primarily a Christian nation and, while the left hasn't disagreed with them, the left has been focusing on citizen rights without calling the GOP's stances as "unconstitutional" which it is (the Dems should be citing & explaining the Constitution and calling themselves the Constitutional Party & they should be calling the GOP what it is). Instead, we have the GOP's anti-constitutional policies being framed as "constitutional' making the GOP the "party of the Constitution" despite everything they are doing destroys the Constitution bit by bit. Apparently, the left has begun to believe that the Constitution is an old document and has little to do with our age. Unfortunately, there is very little difference between this generation and the generation of the Founding Fathers EXCEPT for the habits that have been indoctrinated into the population through cultural development.

Proof the Founding Fathers were more Liberal than "Christian":

George Washington quotes;

"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." -George Washington

"Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all." -George Washington

"Few men have virtue enough to withstand the highest bidder."-George Washington

"Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."-George Washington

"Promote, then, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge. In proportion as the structure of a government gives force to public opinion, it is essential that public opinion should be enlightened."-George Washington

"Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, and sow it everywhere!"

"Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally." -George Washington

Source: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Washington

Benjamin Franklin's known fondness for whores, especially French whores;

War on Christmas - Historical Fact-Checking-After receiving PolitiFact's lowest grade for his report on the founding fathers' attitudes toward Christmas, Jon goes straight to the source. (5:43)

& there were other strongly liberal traits, I am sure. I haven't done an extensive study of the Founding Fathers yet.

The whole national focus on God didn't start till the cold war when it was used as a political ploy to oppose the atheistic communists, it wasn't from the Founding Fathers who seemed to have opposed the idea of religion being a part of the functioning of the State. It seems to have been considered a private matter for ones homes, not to be imposed on others, unlike the religious discrimination law outlined in the following links which is clearly not Constitutional or Liberal BUT Conservative in nature;

Note: Thomas Jefferson seemed to have been more Christian than Liberal. He kept slaves as allowed by the Bible and had many kids with his slave women, also allowed by the Bible...

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.  (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.  (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

Produce Pete with Steve Carell - Thomas Jefferson Soup - Thomas Jefferson could "do it" with his help, but Steve Carell gets in trouble for giving a massage to a former intern, Jessica. (2:07)

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.  (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

... in some ways the Constitution was an agreement of non-discrimination between different segments of American culture that were often diametrically opposed to one another.

That said, almost no one else thinks Thomas Jefferson was much of a Christian despite his clear support of the slavery verses of the Bible

Jon Meacham-Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Jon Meacham explains what made Thomas Jefferson an atheist in religion and a fanatic in politics. (6:04)

Fortunately I might have found a guy who might agree with me;

David Barton- In "The Jefferson Lies," evangelical author David Barton argues that Thomas Jefferson isn't the secularist that many historians make him out to be. (7:37)

GOP Is The Unconstitutional Party. Here is a sampling of thier actions;

Crimes of the GOP

Jeb Bush

Iraq War Highlighted

GOP - The War Party - Illustrated

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