Dec 5, 2016

Fox News Sunday Wants People To Be Nice To Someone Simply Because They Are In Public Office!

Background to provide historical context; How Fine Words & Noble Phrases Can Lead To A Despotism/Tyranny/Dictatorship/Communism.

Kellyanne Conway talks transition, clash with Clinton aide - Dec. 04, 2016 - President-elect Donald Trump's senior adviser weighs in on 'Fox News Sunday'


Transcript extracts;

WALLACE:  I know that you say Mr. Trump gave you permission, but there's a bigger question, which is, is that a proper way to treat somebody who is talking about accepting a role in public service?  
'The proper way of talking to someone' ... in politics? When a person enter public office or is even under consideration for it - is when the most transparent investigation needs to be done. Without accountability we don't have a democracy we have a dictatorship. 
And he repeats this;
WALLACE:  I’m not talking about Mr. Trump.  I’m talking about Mr. Romney.  Is that an appropriate way to treat a guy who is just discussing public service, to say people are going to feel betrayed?  
To provide some context... imagine a communist country... can you imagine someone being disrespectful to their leaders in public? Wouldn't that get them killed? Forcing people to be polite is the first step to giving a person in pulic office too much power (refer to background post)

Clearly Fox is moving in the direction of helping dictatorships and destroying Democracy.

Full extract;

WALLACE:  Kellyanne, speaking of people with hair on fire, last week, you went on several of the other Sunday talk shows to express the concern of Trump supporters about the consideration of Mitt Romney as secretary of state.  
Here's a clip.  
CONWAY:  I’m hearing from people saying, hey, my parents died penniless, but I gave $216 to Donald Trump's campaign, and I would feel betrayed.  
WALLACE:  I know that you say Mr. Trump gave you permission, but there's a bigger question, which is, is that a proper way to treat somebody who is talking about accepting a role in public service?  
CONWAY:  Well, first, the president-elect has said he gave me permission.  He's quoted in "The New York Times" and elsewhere saying that, and that's actually true.  I would not say something publicly that I hadn't expressed privately.  And I would never purposely embarrass him.  He has my respect and my duty, frankly, my service.  So --
WALLACE:  I’m not talking about Mr. Trump.  I’m talking about Mr. Romney.  Is that an appropriate way to treat a guy who is just discussing public service, to say people are going to feel betrayed?  

Side note from the same extract:

He reportedly told Pakistani Prime Minister Sharif he would, quote, play any role you want me to play to address and find solutions to the country's problems, despite Pakistan’s relationship with terrorists.

Explanation: This is a common propaganda campaign by Fox News. Since I'm half Pakistani, it may increase because of me from time to time (following their primary political strategy for dealing with opponents).

Of course, it's completely wrong (or more accurately, it's a blanket accusation used on a Fox News Sunday show without providing context and thus allowing uninformed viewers to draw their own conclusions. Given how the GOP base works, it is almost ALWAYS negative). Here are some extract from an old Bill O Reilly post of mine;

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New Focus on Pakistan’s Lawless Border Region

A wild frontier - It will take more than American missiles to bring order to Pakistan’s north-western border region

PDF Report of Islamic Militancy in the border regions (where Pakistan has it's own troops as well)

Did you know that there are two different Taliban groups? (but is often reported on as one group)

A Pakistani Journalist responds to some of the questions 
Many think, after 9/11, Al Qaeda went to the tribal areas [of Pakistan]. What you know about that?Definitely they did. Definitely. The whole of Al Qaeda's moved into Pakistan. First they moved into the tribal areas. Pretty much they are there -- even today they are there. There is pretty strong evidence available to suggest that some of the Arabs who speak local native language, the Pashto, that wear native dresses, they look like native people. They are the guest of tribal people in South Waziristan and North Waziristan. I've been meeting people who know it for sure in their own areas -- there are Arabs living there as guests of some tribal people.

I would think that some people in the government may also know, have some ideas. But as long as these people are not creating trouble and they are just sitting quiet, the government are not ready to confront them. They don't want to create a problem for themselves.

What is it about the tribal areas? I mean, people watching this program don't know what these tribal areas are or what they represent. What is it about these places that makes them such a good hiding place for Al Qaeda?

They are often categorized as semi-autonomous areas. But for all practical purpose, before 9/11, they were autonomous areas. There was no law there. The law was gun and drugs. These people trade in gun and guns only. There was no other thing. Maybe smuggling. So it was a lawless terrain, completely out of Pakistan's control.

These people don't accept any laws. They didn't even accept the Durand Line, the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. They never had any travel documents to go into Afghanistan or coming back from there. So there are tremendous linkages there. These people have no law, no Pakistani law government.

And they're in the same tribe as the Taliban?

Yes, in most cases. There are different types, but they share the area. They share the terrain. They share the culture, and they all share a very deep, religious leanings. They consider themselves ultra-religious people. Yes, the rest would like to call them the sheer fundamentalists.

Related video;

At 3:20 On finding Bin Laden In Pakistan

Mike Mullen who knew the guy in charge has this to say:

Q Where they (Pakistanis) Chagrined at all (that Osama Bin Laden was found there)?

A. No they were actually surprised. I mean, literally. Now, this is in the human dimension. I know this doesn't make allot of sense but I knew him pretty well, and his reaction was one(1) that we'd found him and two(2), that he was where we found him, which was about a mile from their version of West Point. And he had the worst week of his life.
Explanation: 1. Most of the people in that part of the world, especially the Pakistanis, think that Osama Bin Laden was killed by 2003. It's a good thing we killed him and have proof of his body or this rumor might just persist.

2. As for finding him next to a military school... it's a school. They don't do random house to house searches and Pakistan has no version of the NSA. They still do most of their governmental work on paper for that matter. But that he was right in the middle of a military town was a surprise, and probably smart tactics on Bin Laden's part i.e. go where you're enemy will least expect you to be found (art of war). Also, you should keep in mind that Al Qaeda has killed allot of Pakistanis, so they are a primary enemy.

The Case Of The Missing Cadet: Tracking The Clues For 38 Years

So General Mike Mullen's views on Pakistan and the facts don't add up to make Bill's opinions believable. (Note: The fact that Osama's body was never shown because of some weird religious law, that has never taken to this extreme, is another side of the story which makes it suspicious but that is another story)
Context of growing terror/hate groups. There are many terror hate groups in the region since Bush created the vacuum needed for them to flourish (there was no Al Qaeda or it's affiliates in Iraq OR Syria before the Iraq Invasion).

The Iraq Effect: New Study Finds 600% Rise in Terrorism Since US Invasion of Iraq...

Here is an interesting comparison to make. While Fox News demonizes Muslims and Islam (leaving out important context with their own religion, probably to hide their involvement in the Iraq War and 9/11 coverups) they, instead, praise a guy from a cult! (probably because he's a leader of the GOP and thus they must treat him with obsolete respect and defensiveness as per their 'promoting dictatorships' mandate (i.e. there seems to be a concerted effort to improve Romney's public image);

Left-wing columnist loses it on CNN
Charles Blow, infamous for mocking Mitt Romney's Mormon religion, proudly declares that he just doesn't care about anyone who voted for Donald Trump

A religion has many adherents, can be traced to a mythological age, a large majority just care about everyday living and use thier religion as an identity for faith (which people seem to need). A cult is more recent, has more passionate adherents, demonize all other religions, think they are prophets and/or apostles OR have followers who think that of them. But why try and define it when I can let Mormonism speak for itself through a non-US (and thus unconnected to the GOP) source of news, the BBC;

 BBC:  Once they have received the Melchizedek Priesthood, men are ordained to an office in the priesthood which carries specific responsibilities. The first office is Elder. Other offices include: High Priest - Patriarch - Seventy - Apostle

The following extracts are from The BBC...
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was founded in 19th century America and has 13.5 million members world-wide (LDS 2008 Statistical Report).
Mormonism has been present in the UK since 1837 and has 190,000 members (LDS 2008 figures).
  • The church is called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or The Church of Jesus Christ.
  • Mormons believe their church is a restoration of the Church as conceived by Jesus and that the other Christian churches have gone astray.
  • The church was founded by Joseph Smith (1805 - 1844).
  • It was then developed by Brigham Young who migrated with the new Mormons to Salt Lake City in 1847.
  • Mormons believe that God has a physical body, is married, and can have children.
  • They also believe that humans can become gods in the afterlife.
  • Mormons are strongly focused on traditional family life and values.
  • They oppose abortion, homosesxuality, unmarried sexual acts, pornography, gambling, tobacco, consuming alcohol, tea, coffee, and the use of drugs.
  • One of the more common misconceptions is that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints advocates polygamy. However, this was discontinued over a century ago and the Church excommunicates anyone who practices it.

From The BBC - Living prophets?

Mormons believe in living prophets - human beings who are prophets of God in the same way as AbrahamMosesIsaiah, and the Apostles.They point out that Christ himself said that he would send prophets after him.

I covered this topic in more detail in this post.

Related links;

Fox News

The Fox News Double Standard On Terrorism

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